Thanks, this seems like a useful suggestion, I’ll look into it. I hadn’t realized that this thread is now a year old when I posted to it today, but no matter, it still seems worth communicating on these matters.
I’ll be curious if I can find a PeerTube channel on Roku (this is how I consume a lot of youtube, including TYT … I watch on the youtube channel on Roku, and I pay google the fee every month to keep the interuptive advertisements to a minimum. If PeerTube turns out to be robust, maybe someday I can transition to paying them instead of youtube/google? Well, there’s too much I need to learn about it first.
You need to orchestrate volunteers to support the video hosting. Cenk could barter premium memberships and whatever in exchange for that.
If you think the hosting might get taken down through fraudulent DMCA claims, Cenk will need to do it under a country domain that is not a member of WIPO.
On a separate thread, there was a need discussed to have forum topics here link up seemlessly with Turks videos. A link on a posted video (be it at youtube or eventually peertube…) should take you to a dedicated forum topic here. That immediately curtails any shadow-banning that youtube might do if you rely on their comments…
I still get censored a lot when talking bout Israel and Gaza, it’s some kind of buggy automated system that YT doesn’t really care enough to fix. It seems to target left-wing stuff more than right-wing stuff imo.
By the way: it’s important to have new Turks videos posted as forum topics here because then, once you are using the turks domain, you can get to the videos without youtube/google screwing around with search results. They should have three URLs:
And for each show or clip, they should crosslink to a dedicated newly created topic for the video. Comments should no longer live on youtube (except ephemeral shout out ones…); a youtube video should have a direct link to the comments thread on tyt.com/shows or tyt.com/clips
youtube should just be a way to find tyt content; once you bookmark the threads above (and that could be suggested on videos that are published on youtube…), you should be impervious to any hall of mirror stunts pulled by youtube or google (remember that some people use google to locate content -there’s a reason why they got seed-funded by the NSA!)
peertube looks interesting, but I don’t know if it will be able to offer a viable mainstream alternative for many consumer purposes. It seems to be explicitly “not for commercial purposes” as an entity. This may in theory help it remain independent of some influence and away from that sort of censorship trend we’re trying to discuss here, but I am skeptical in the long run if this can get to the point of offering me what I want. Well, I hope so.
It might be worth taking a moment to lay out what some of the industry issues are as I see them and how future competitors can win my money, or my use of their business:
private censorship of comments in discussion areas, as you say. I recently deleted my twitter/x account, not just because of the owner’s political positions, activism, and personal issues, but because it appears that the accusations of different types of private censorship may be accurate. Personally I wasn’t sure I detected censorship, but there seem to be too many stories from all political camps of concerns about suppression of posts in prioritization, etc.
The discussion platform business is one that has not served customers consistently. Verizon (I think it was) ultimately seemed to ruin yahoo groups, for example. Those of us who value strong discussion platforms with safeguards against trying to tilt the discussions should keep our eyes open if a new alternative comes along. I"m not sure if peertube has instituted discussion around individual videos the way that youtube has, but if it has, and if it engages in very fair moderation, with posts removed only for undeniably valid reasons, then indeed that would be an excellent start.
Private censorship also has a severe impact in terms of what creators can post and how they are treated. Here again, if peertube behaves better than youtube, then it’s promising.
It’s nice for peertube that they want to be non-commercial, but if this means there will be no compensation for creators, then I see that as a problem that could result in the platform remaining less relevant. We consumers of videos should pay attention to TYT and the many other creators who are pretty up-front about their need to make revenues in order to continue their work. It’s true that not all creators are like that, but many of the ones whose output I like do, in some way, need to make money at it.
As long as Turks does not post content on it for a fee (and they don’t…), the licensing will be AOK.
To those on the sidelines: I am NOT advocating for videos to stop being posted to youtube; we just need a backup mechanism through tyt.com that cannot be screwed with by google or youtube.
They need an experienced tech to set this reorg up, to make sure it can’t be DOS attacked by corporations or zealots. DOS attack handling is one of the things that google covers. With something called DNS load-balancing, they can deflect DOS attacks -even redirecting to youtube when the tyt.com sites are under attack (a DOS attack can only last for so long, so once the attack is over, it goes back to curated search at tyt.com…)
What it comes down to is Turks gets control of searches; not google or youtube…
Thanks, I remember when one of my favorite youtubers was messed-with a few years ago by youtube/google and by some Tesla drivers who apparently did not like his content. It was quite awful to watch this. I think he turned to Patreon, but I’m not sure that’s a full alternative. Youtube seems to have creators at the mercy of the youtube employees and of vindictive viewers.
Note that I just tried to sign up or register for peertube so I could subscribe to a channel or hit like on a video I was watching, and it wouldn’t let me and sent me off into needlessly-complicated-land. I guess they don’t want my viewership that much.
It’s the deep end of the tech pool; an experienced tech needs to organize the self-hosting, which Turks can cover with high-end memberships. Cenk can ask for hosting sponsors, and a tech can make sure they are providing the service on a reliable and continuous basis.
You get what you pay for; if Cenk just wants to use free crap, you will get slapped around by google, youtube, and others…
I have posted a question on the peertube forum about how I can sign up, or whether I need to sign up for each individual channel, or I don’t know. Setting aside that it is not pleasant to go through the public process of not knowing what I’m doing, it is also discouraging that getting to that fun point of participation (something google/youtube does so well) seems to be difficult.
Well, you would set up their software on a server of your own. It’s not an end-user thing, it’s more of a gearhead thing. But once your site is running, end users can benefit from it…
Are the forum posts there directly accessible by the public (a.k.a., “anonymous”…) users? That was my one reservation, that it added friction when you want to share a post with somebody, and lacks transparency.
I read it’s possible to configure discord that way…
Just like with every other Discord server you need to create a Discord account and join the server. No different than you needing to create an account to post in these forums.
But are the discussions open for viewing to a non-registered visitor? Where I can shoot a friend a URL to a topic and they can read it, without the friction of registration??
[Effectively a “try before you buy” proposition; if the person likes the content and wants to add to it, they can then surrender an Email…]
To view ANYTHING on a Discord server you must first create a Discord account. Then you can check out a server and view somethings without joining that server. For MOST people that is no big deal. I mean if you are on ANY Social Media like YouTube, or X, or BlueSky, or Instagram, or Facebook your info is already out there to be purchased
YouTube has turned on a new level on their inevitable path to subscriptions. “It appears you have an ad blocker…” Uhhh…no; I have a TRACKING blocker; you can show all the ads you want (well, all I can tolerate in reason; if you push it too far, I’ll go elsewhere…) -I get that server hosting is not free, so ads pay those bills.
But turn over my tracking info to Google, who just got an antitrust dispensation, so it can go to the Feds? Screw off.
You can endrun it for now by looking at all videos in an Incognito/Private window. Tip: the Vivaldi browser offers many options for opening a link, which you can customize through a link’s “context menu”.
That bit of innovation came from Vivaldi; not Google (Chrome…)
The funny thing is they’re getting LESS info now by me going to a private browser window; but maybe they think few users will do that? Or maybe it’s just a stepping stone to requiring logins??
If they do eventually require logins, go for it; I’m off to other video platforms. I am psychologically prepared for both that and a Carrington Event…
Sorry guys; too busy right now, planning out an embargo.
Sort of reminds me of this Python sketch.
Memo to Repubs: leave the gangster shtik to Bunker Boy, and start climbing on board the Impeachment Train…
They need to put them back up on peertube under an international domain; spread their links…
A 2 hour “Free with Ads” movie on youtube with ads going off every FIVE MINUTES?! As they say on SNL’s The Californians, “Are you out of your mYind?!”
Gee, I guess I can’t watch it then…
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Google is amping up its tracking on youtube now, so it can be bolted into Palantir monitoring. If I had to guess, getting their cooperation on that had to do with the Feds backing off on a forced sale of Chrome.
I think the recent changes in youtube rankings is an attempt by Google to cut costs; in other words, it’s indicative of a stalling economy.
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