Clowns at the wheel of the Clown Car

I follow these two as well.

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Aw, thank you! And thank you for your service! I understand how you’re feeling. I have basically been living on a diet of reading/watching/listening to the News, decaffeinated coffee with caramel creamer, and pondering the existential threat facing our nation and everyone here and abroad. I’m probably the last person to listen to or do anything meaningful to help. :joy:

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  • So you think they won’t impose restrictions on voting by then? They won’t disqualify many votes on the basis of sham claims??

  • And even if they were to regain power: what a relief! The corporations who own the Dem Party will be saved, and workers will not be.

I’m not saying to not stop Trump (if it’s not too late already, should he abuse DHS, DOJ, and the military…); but once you do, we’ll still be fucked ANYWAY. Just psychologically prepare yourself for that reality…

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What saddens me is how so many that are not rich are supporting him when he and his cronies care nothing for us. He lied to get into office, and has not kept his campaign promises other than gutting government to exploit tax payer money for their own gains.

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I don’t know, I just see mostly fat stack cats supporting him now. The MAGAs are mostly embarrassed by his betrayal.

I sorta expected that outcome, that he’d go “suckers!” after he got in. If you look at people who lent him money or worked on his properties and waited to get paid, you saw that behavior time and time again…

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For sure! People are only starting to get upset because shit’s affecting them. Still, they would think nothing of throwing someone (especially from marginalized communities) under the bus to get what they believe they’re entitled to. It sickening.

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They only care when it affects them. And that care trickles down as much as Reaganomics.

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I’d have a LITTLE more pity for MAGAs who work; they saw Harris was offering them nothing, so they made a bet it would be a repeat of 2017-18. And it’s been anything but!

They vote for Harris and they eventually cannot meet their food or housing costs. Yeah, voting for Trump was extremely risky and I didn’t do it (I wrote in…), but I can’t blame them.

Neither of the Duopoly parties want to address worker rights and stability. The Fed under the Dems decided that unemployment was desirable to tame inflation (I myself wouldn’t have had a shutdown during covid for any longer than 2 weeks; the stimulus spending is where all the inflation came from -so much for UBI!)

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I get what you’re saying, and I largely agree with you. What keeps me leary is even with how overtly bigoted, racist, and misogynist Trump and MAGA are, people still voted for him. And King Donald, President Musk, Jester Vance, and the Crooked Court have done a bunch of bigoted, racist, and misogynist things, but people who voted for him aren’t really starting to get mad until it affects them. You know? Sure, a bunch of people who voted for Trump say they’re not bigots, racists, or misogynists, but they willingly voted for an openly bigoted and racist felon and adjudicated rapist.

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Well, it’s a pretty good first hand explanation at how the Germans went along with the Nazis in the 1930s. What mattered first to them was jobs; functional integrity…

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Gee, we weren’t expecting THAT!


The question now is: what’s to be done or can be done with the Congress members enabling him? Most voters didn’t sign up for this recklessness…

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Unless he gets 25-50 people to run on an Independent ticket for Congress -it don’t matter!


And he has to pick a committee to vet members; otherwise, it would just be a herd of cats arguing over wedge issues…

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At one point he tenders the possibility of an Independent alliance: “…as Independents…” But then he walks it back and mentions “a party within the party”.

The corporate owners of the DNC will NEVER allow worker rights and pollution to be addressed in a serious way! Get that through your noggin’, Bernie. How many times do you want to test the definition of insanity? We have tried EVERYTHING with the Dem Party, and workers are done with them. Hey: if they were to get religion and suddenly start enabling voters to address those two main issues which are presently ignored by The Duopoly, sure great. But why would the corporate owners of the DNC want to take a hit in their profits? Going along with Trump in the 2024 election (“yay! we’ll keep a low corporate tax rate and won’t have to give anything up to workers…”) is proof positive that they won’t budge.

And a credible Independent alliance starts with a committee of trusted allies who are difficult to bribe, to set the standards for such an alliance and chuck people when they depart from such objectives (your former campaign workers, I would trust most of them…) Without that, you have a herd of cats arguing over wedge issues -nobody will then be voting them in!

Hey Bernie, let’s just leave it at this: if you keep talking up the Dems as a possibility, I will keep talking up here: “Nope; need an alliance of Independents, you need a trustworthy committee to insure that the integrity of that enterprise is maintained going forward…” I can be JUST as stubborn as you are; the difference is I am advocating that something different be tried; you are advocating for yet another test of the definition of insanity…

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OK, Bernie; you got a few trillion to buy back the Party from its present corporate owners? Or perhaps you actually believe that you can shame them into relinquishing control of the Party?? Spoiler alert: NOT gonna’ happen!



When Trump was running in 2016, he had to see the Egyptians for money given that his wealth was illusory.

And with 2024, he had to conjure up an H1B deal with tech bros, where Elon would be the bag man.


You don’t need that much to ballot Independent candidates, but you will need a committee of trusted people to make sure they will be singing on the same worker rights and anti-pollution page.

But maybe you want to be everyone’s friend and don’t want to do that. Yes: sometimes saying “no” to people who mean well but have lousy strategy can be tough to do…

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Bernie Sanders threatens to ditch ABC interview when asked if AOC should run for Senate

Senator Bernie Sanders nearly walked out of an interview when asked if New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez should run for the Senate. The Vermont Independent was speaking to ABC’s This Week Sunday when he abruptly got out of his chair and walked off camera. He accused Jonathan Karl of “doing nonsense” after he asked, “Would you like to see her joining the Senate?” The interview comes as Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez have gone on a speaking tour and targeted the nation’s ‘oligarchy.’ Ocasio-Cortez has been floated for Senate as some Democrats were angered by current New York Senator Chuck Schumer’s decision to not block a Republican spending bill.
-The Independent


Correct answer: “That’s up to her.”

Well, at least it made for good attention-grabbing drama…

He tiptoed closer.

He still needs a committee of former campaign workers to insure Independents can run under a common identity addressing:

  • worker rights

  • anti-pollution

(the EXACT issues that the other two parties refuse to address, since they impact the bottom line of their owners…)

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I have been wondering about all these occasions aswell, if good ol Bernie was just pissing down everyones leg and calling it rain. He voted yes for Rubio behind the scenes plus should know all these play by plays and tactics by now to easily turn the tides. Sad to think he was paid off to give the illusion of fight back so noone else does it. Only a theory so noone come after me but when he was about to walk out after that AOC question my spider senses went wild “he is just bullshitting about pushback if thats a hard question” etc

THAT’s the way you do it, when they hide!