I liked some of the points she was making here. Hakeem Jeffries, James Carville and other Democratic Party Thought Leaders do seem like they deserve to have their feet held to the fire. I personally do not know as much about it as she does, and I am wary of this rather intense rhetoric she is using, but I do like getting on the case of Democratic Party Leaders and demanding (much) better. I, like Ana, also am an Independent (not officially affiliated with any party), and while I vote Democrat more often than Ana, I long for better analysis and criticism of both parties, not just of the Republicans.
I think she also said something about the lack of value in some of the “tribal” politics of Democrat vs. Republican.
They call out any parties, dems, repubtarts, etc. Thats why TYT is so great. Im an independent but registered as a dem so i can vote in the primaries. If you watch the coverage TYT has been doing its literally the best place to get the truth.
I have to ask, “jlaz”, what do you do for a living? There is a real argument to be made that Salt Queen doesnt go hard enough. Things are quickly becoming existential for us all. 30% of the population has been gaslit into oblivion and now belong to a cult. Another 30% or so have been captured by conventional media (Blue MAGA). We are sleep walking right into disaster. I ask what you do for a living, because only someone who has little or no economic challenges could possibly think Jeffries, Carville, et.al are anything other than wholly corrupt meat puppets for the Oligarchy. They bear a tremendous responsibility for MAGA’s existence and now they want to surrender and chant “there was nothing we could do”. I could go on, but it would seem unhinged, because things are unhinged. DNC “leadership” is rotten and needs to be removed, not, once again, scolded with a letter, or some other excuse of decorum. The time is now.
I’m just curious: why does it matter what @jlaz does for a living? To assert awareness of another’s “economic challenges” seems presumptuous. Also, I would argue that 30% of our country is not in a cult. Some definitely are, but I think the percentage is much lower. I agree that our government is going downhill fast; however, I don’t think my economic or employment status has anything to do with my sentiments.
Well, we can agree to disagree. I certainly didnt mean to offend, but it seems perfectly logical that our economic status will inevitably contribute to our world view. You can, maybe, imagine what its like to not have healthcare or rent, but you dont really get it. There is no sense of urgency to fix the biggest problems that effect most of us. As an extreme example take Saint Anderson Cooper. Yes, he seems to hold all the “right” positions on culture war issues, but he doesnt seem to be an economic populus. He either doesnt know about all the corruption or he doesnt care, but his view and focus are different than mine. So, thats all and its not an effort to combat. Please know that, I was just curious is all. You’re right as far as coming together. It doesnt matter as long as theyre here trying to help. I didnt mean any offense at all.
I get what you’re saying, and I’m not mad or trying to be combative. I’m just a person who will ask you what you mean so that I understand where you’re coming from rather than assume what you’re saying or your intentions are. I largely agree with your assertion about income and urgency. While I would like to think my views would be as strong if I had money, I can’t say for sure because I don’t. And for the record, Jeffries, Carville, et al. are totally corrupt meat puppets for the Oligarchy! I’m glad to meet a fellow curious and passionate soul.
I visited a friend back in September. He expressed consternation at dems who were hesitant to vote for Harris. “Don’t they know Trump is a threat to democracy?” When I said people are sick of Dems using the “vote for us because Trump is a danger to democracy” approach, only to ignore our needs once they are in office, he just said “But Trump IS worse!”
I gave him some facts regarding the number of people who die for no other reason then lack of healthcare, those who have to skip doses of vital medicine because of high drug prices, etc. he said “Do you wanna beat Trump? If he gets elected, that’s all academic, because he is a threat to democracy.”
My friend is very well off. He is a very empathetic man, but his circumstances shield him from facing what many Americans are dealing with. And most of his friends (aside from me) are in similar circumstances. He is out of touch with their reality. Cenk once said, when you’re already doing well, and a Dem gives you 10% of what they promised, you appreciate the improvement in your already good circumstances. But most Americans desperately need 80-100% change, for their day-today living.
The other thing the debate with my friend made me realize is that fear of Trump has caused many people to forget how democracy works. It was not the voters duty to “Beat Trump.” It was his opponents’ job to convince us of why we should vote for THEM. The gaslighting perpetrated by Dem leadership helped to foster this change.
In any event, to set the example and keep the focus on the issue and not as much on personal matters, yes, my original post went too easy on the Dems and Ana in her way may have also, but
I liked the segment and wanted to say so.
I don’t keep good receipts (it is a particular weak point of my thinking) and so when I am writing quickly in order to get back to my immediate responsibilities, I may err on the side of being moderate, so I don’t risk losing credibility on extreme comments that I may later regret or can’t back up. Yes, I can see an argument that this in itself is not great, but in any event that is part of what you are seeing.
I don’t think it’s a bad point at all to comment on the dire situation that many are in (or have been in, if they have already perished prematurely), or that the country is in, nor to be very harsh on Dem leadership, nor to make a connection between complacency and incompetence of many Democratic party leaders and how things are for so many citizens. However, for right or for wrong, I suspect I would not have done that well myself in the shoes of Democratic party leaders, … maybe better than some of them in some cases, but it’s a hard job. And so I temper my comments to maintain reason/rationality/appropriate-seeming-humility. One specific thing on my mind here is that as much as I may dislike Carvil
I did like TonyMac’s comments and I am guilty of having fallen into the “nothing could possibly be as bad as Trump, I will not vote for him” camp. I will not be guilty of voting for someone who appears to me to be possibly the next Hitler, or some modernized tempered fascist variant. But yeah, I should do better to understand that just because Harris and team got my vote doesn’t mean I should go easy on them when the time comes to do forensic analysis. I do get more and more upset the more I contemplate the last few years and the chances our country had to avoid this dire situation.
For what it’s worth, I always look forward to your comments. I should probably take a page out of your playbook more often! (If you haven’t noticed, I probably don’t hold back enough for some. )
My brother, I would not use the term “guilty” in reference to not voting for Trump. I feel he IS much worse, mostly for the reasons you mentioned. I voted for Harris for the exact same reason, and I see nothing wrong with that. I was simply trying to get my friend to understand people who chose not to do so, and to point out that their life circumstances are such that the importance of democracy is not at the top of their hierarchy of needs.
I love the fact that you temper your writing in such a fashion as to avoid spreading misinformation and losing your credibility. So many people hold the press accountable for that, and rightly so. I happen to think it is also the responsibility of every person to hold themselves similarly accountable, to the best of their ability.
PS: I’ve never met you, but I don’t believe for a moment that, if your were in Democratic leadership, you would put the wishes of your corporate donors above the needs of your constituents. Your actions on here seem to suggest otherwise. Peace, my brother.
