Did I miss this?

On January 26th, the Biden administration took an action with possibly enormous positive implications; they paused construction of new Liquid Natural Gas infrastructure to further consider its climate implications.

Yet, as far as I remember (and I can’t find a reference to it in the show descriptions) Cenk and Ana never even mentioned it. Instead, they continued to hammer Biden ad nauseam for his support for Israel, granted, deservedly so.

But if you only listen to TYT and think you’re getting a complete and unbiased summary of the most important issues and news items, you’re sadly mistaken. They have a massive blindspot when it comes to anything climate, energy, and environmental policy related. Especially when it conflicts with their narrative that this administration is uniformly awful.

I think the worry here is it is far to little to late:

Yes, it’s too late. The problem is political more than technological. James Hansen said in 2006 we had about a decade to solve the climate problem. Then in 2016, the final year of the window he identified, we experienced the most consequential election of our lifetimes. We could have turned toward progressive leadership; instead, we elected a far-right lunatic.

But it would at least be nice if the biggest left-wing news outlet from my country told their audience this. Do Francesca and John (and Cenk, etc.) know that their kids have about 20 years to enjoy a society that resembles somewhat the one we grew up in? What’s happening in Gaza is beyond awful. But do people know what we’re seeing in the Middle East now will soon be dwarfed by crisis depopulation all over the globe?

My point is, Cenk, and especially Ana, rail against the current administration for contributing to the slaughter we are all now witnessing… without noticing, or at least presenting, news of the modest attempt the same government is taking to head off the far bigger threat to billions, not just the millions in Palestine/Israel.

This is why every time Ana says, “People aren’t stupid,” it’s nails-on-a-chalkboard grating. Obliterating our habitat is beyond stupid. And people not even knowing what’s happening, to either prove or confront it, is just the stupid sprinkles on top of the idiot sundae.

No, it is to little and to late for scuffed garbage. For instance you would like us to applaud a reduction in LNG capacity. That is a joke.

I can’t say there was an America I grew up in, that I could be proud of.

The comments I’ve read to the subject of the 3 key legislative questions that we (liberals) should be addressing and stressing are certainly not encouraging.
I love much of what TYT embraces and expresses about our government officials. What greatly disturbs me is that it (TYT) offer no tangible, palpable alternative. Our country is gaining speed down the slippery slope of fascism and anti-democratic governance and there seems to be literally no one or no organization that has any political traction at all that we can latch onto. The elements for that type of leadership is there. Why can’t it be more effective in the election processes?

While TYT ignores, dismisses, or attacks anything decent done by the liberal Dem establishment in office, environmentalists are taking action, seeing results, giving credit, and encouraging more…

(If I had been sitting while listening to a recent show on which Ana said Cenk was too dismissive of the CHIPS Act, I’d have fallen out of my chair. Her coverage of the IRA has been outrageous! Both she and Cenk claim it’s nothing more than a corporate giveaway when it includes massive direct subsidies to regular Americans, including free energy efficiency upgrades to those in poverty.)

I happen to be in this an ancillary industry. I can tell you that very few workers are needed in advanced lithography. In fact even the engineers are being phased out to some degree. So I am not really sure what the CHIPS act is outside of a building a hardened supply chain.

To the extent it helps jumpstarts a ramp up in capacity that is great. As far as the economy that may have a knock on effect to some degree. Sure to some degree that will benefit us collectively.

I guess when I heard them talk about there being no jobs guarantee. I thought, yeah that checks out.

Just to give you a heads up the IRA doesn’t denote the Inflation Reduction Act to nearly anyone. My guess is that if you don’t target direct investment in the poor the money gets vampired up by corporations who prefer to feed on government largesse.

Well, that guess would be wrong. But you’d never know if TYT was your only news source.

I don’t know who else you read or listen to, so I’m not assuming anything about your news-gathering habits, but it drives me crazy how Cenk and Ana lecture us audience members about everyone being in their own info bubbles while never mentioning they too have a blinkered perspective! They seem incapable of accepting the fact that audience capture goes both ways, that ideology (not just greed) explains politics, and that emotions are a powerful driver of bias.

God, when Ana said recently that she’s now numb and can no longer care about political outcomes, I nearly blew a gasket. She is deeply influenced by her personal preferences and grievances, which is fine. All of us are to one degree or another. But most of us don’t have a giant platform to make our personal hobby horses clear, and then tell the listeners we’re actually dispassionate observers of events! Please.

Last, btw, I live in central Ohio where the new Intel plant is supposed to be built, and construction is absolutely booming. Not that the dumbasses who live here will re-elect Sherrod Brown or tip the state to Biden. Nope, they’ll keep electing Republicans and then give them credit for the jobs boom.

And yeah, I agree with the criticism that CHIPS lacks job guarantees. If I were in charge, I’d have the government nationalize chip manufacturing and give people access to advanced education and high wages to make the things. Are they a national security necessity or not?

Yes, most people don’t know the shorthand IRA. But I’d assume everyone taking the time to look at an obscure discussion board on a political talkshow’s website should. Or at least have the interest and ability to look it up. Though, given how little TYT discusses it since its passage, maybe I was mistaken.

You could say that my statement is inaccurate then provide some information but to just say it is wrong then back that up with a falsity seems to be suspect.

I outlined the status quo so I would need to understand how this isn’t the case.

You should watch more often.

They often talk about media bubbles and include that they are in fact in one of their own creation.

I follow around 15-20 news organizations 3-4 are form the US.

Greed is the source of our hysteria that is why they often bring up it as a root cause.

Imagine having this giant of a platform yet being ignored in chorus by nearly very other segment of the population except when they “need” you.

I know your god wouldn’t want you to draw a comparison from a hobby horse to the stopping a massacre of children.

This is a legacy media position that few here believe to be the case.

I have a friend that installed Intel fabs for a decade. You may not know this but Israel is a very large hub for Intel fabs as well as specialist. That fab will will be installed by costal engineers with the corporation of Nikon precision.

Very few folks from Ohio will ever see the inside of those clean rooms, I promise.

I only bring that up because in the context I read it, for me it connoted IRA (Individual Retirement Arrangement) account. I couldn’t parse that and recalled that IRA was also used for recent legislation.

I haven’t missed an episode of TYT (at least intentionally) since 2008.

If you want to know about the direct benefits to low income folks in the IRA you can find it online. I heard all about it when the bill was passed. Not sure why it escaped Ana’s and Cenk’s notice, but I suspect it’s because of their bias against governmental measures to push energy efficiency.

If I could chime in, my understanding is that the IRA was in some ways great relative to our corporate agenda, and of not much significance to ecological reality. It is like the best we could do given the political moment, and ultimately only a pause to look over our shoulder to consider the course we need. It only nods to the needs, and is yet among the most we’ve done in terms of those needs. Optimistically, we would hope our future politics will actually turn around before the environment forces us to trailblaze a shortcut back to the course we left behind. Pessimistically, we would recognize the MO of corporate politics superficially addressing such needs in order to maintain their power, which they exercise by limiting the scope of politics to well within what is required in order to prevent their required disempowerment. In my opinion, neither the optimistic nor pessimistic is fully correct.

I think that illustrates my understanding of the IRA in context. To be clear, I understand some great policy was realized through IRA despite the political cutting block. Yet, much of the changes which are needed requires a realistic worldview which is incompatible with the status quo. We on the left wing finally had our grip on the ear of the status quo, and we twisted to get what we got. My point is that the current status quo needs to be metaphorically deposed in order to begin addressing deeper needs of the issues. That would mean the left grew to usurp the status quo. My focus is on how we do that.

And I would suspect that type of focus is in some ways underlying TYT coverage. And I also suspect there are other reasons why focusing on the ongoing genocide would be more imminently news worthy than focusing on how a previously compromised climate infrastructure policy is prolonging ecocide.

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So any legislation passed that doesn’t fix the entirety of the problem is worthless? The Inflation Reduction Act is arguably inadequate to meet the enormity of the climate problem (a point with which I agree) so it’s at least meaningless and probably counterproductive?

I can imagine such legislation. And if I I had the time and inclination could find examples of such toothless message bills passing. TYT has covered them in the past, and it has sounded to me like they decided early on that the IRA fits this preconception, so it was irrelevant to their audience to examine what is actually IN the bill.

But if your’e at all aware of the size and scope of the spending and revenue enhancements in the IRA, calling it worthless sounds uninformed at best and nihilist at worst. It’s basically an unlimited pot of money whose size depends ultimately on the adoption of its energy saving measures. And the incentives are available to everyone, from the lowest of income households to the largest industrial producers. Basically, any time you replace a water heater, or a gas stove, or your car, etc., rebates are available to make the purchase of new energy-saving devices, which will save consumers money going forward, competitive with their dirtier, more costly to operate alternatives.

I get that Ana (and apparently Cenk and likely the majority of their audience) don’t want to transform our energy system entirely away from fossil fuels to renewable-sourced electricity only. (Now Ana has apparently decided nuclear must be feasible.) But this is the only solution on the table. Its success depends on widespread adoption, or you might call it a revolution in consciousness, to join the effort.

It might not work; in fact it looks unlikely to do so. But those who claim they’re engaged in real-world politics can’t claim they accept the immediacy and apocalyptic magnitude of the climate problem if they’re willing to dismiss any efforts toward progress as not good enough, and hence shit on or ignore (like the LNG pause) even modest wins.

Btw, thanks for the prompt to reply once again, Jared. My frustration is more with Ana and Cenk than with your comments.

I guess I would simply point out, as undeniably horrific as the events in Gaza are, if we are not universally focused on the threat posed by anthropogenic climate disruption and taking seriously every tool available to reverse our situation, genocidal events will be happening all across the globe as soon as the second half of this century. Nowhere will be safe. The destruction will make the horrors we are now witnessing in the Middle East a mere precursor.