We need to get people elected who agree with us and be active in each policy issue. Here is my plan:
We need a progressive agenda of our own. We need as many progressive groups to come together as possible and have a progressive summit. We list all of our economic priorities. We build movements on each issue and be ready to go once a progressive president is elected.
We start a new group called “Claim Your Money.” Claim Your Money will be similar to Justice Democrats only there will be more screening and monitoring of their campaigns. We need to train potential candidates to be the politicians we want in Congress. They need to campaign correctly and be effective when they get elected. We ask them scenarios of things that have happen in Congress and how they would handle them. They need to be people who are willing to be hated by leadership and support our progressive agenda. The focus would be on economic issues. There are willing to hold other members of Congress accountable and call them out.
We need a plan for 2028. While establishing Claim Your Money and getting those candidates elected, we need at least 3 progressive candidates to run for president. All 3 will meet with our group. Each one will do everything to build their base and increase their poll numbers. The would all attack corporate Democrats relentlessly. Then in November 2027, we would unify behind 1 candidate and the others would agree to drop out and endorse that candidate.
@makenickraynes Well, at this point, I have used academic research and historical context to accurately predict the outcome of the 2024 US Election, so that I have STRONG basis to be able to tell the NDP and Liberals in Canada that, essentially, I can use such means (science) to tell them how to win elections. I would be very interested in how you plan to accomplish your plan, because apparently, going Nostradamus on the NDP and Liberals was not enough.
Yes it’s the First Step of his plan. I think what he is doing is putting out his plan step by step and as we accomplish each step he will then publish the next step. Too many people on the Left tend to focus on the end goal of something like this and not on how to get to that end goal. I like Cenk doing this step by step because it will allow us to focus on each step and not just the End Goal
First of all, let me start by saying I love the initiative!
Is this in conjunction with Cenk’s Populist Revolt? If not, how is it different and should we not all join into one project rather than pulling in different directions?
I say this because I can already see that we will fall into the mistake that the left historically falls for: lack of unity and division over the small fraction of percentage of what we disagree on.
I think the Populist Plank, as some have mentioned here is just the first stage of a much larger movement. This is important, in my humble opinion, because in it, the idea is to include not just progressives, but everyone, including, centrist and conservatives in general will pool more resources and support than a bunch of independent schools of thought with similar goals operating individually.
Additionally, Cenk’s prior experience running for office and general American politics knowledge offers a clear advantage in effectiveness in terms of a sense of direction. I am not proposing Cenk as the only source of thought and leadership alone, but rather a coalition under his proposed plan of action.
I disagree that this is just a petition. When he started this movement, I think he was aware of the possibility of having to do it under a MAGA administration but was more geared towards a Harris administration. I think the shock of it requires some reorientation of perspective and that’s why it may seem a vague message thus far.
Come join us in the town halls to see what I mean for an opportunity to share your thoughts and ask questions.
@mggbwmn8 That’s not useful. If Cenk has an actual plan, he needs to show us what it is. Otherwise, we are just exchanging one cult leader for another.
@mggbwmn8 I’m on Social Assistance, get me a copy and I’ll read it. However, if its research is the same caliber as whats presented on the show, I don’t expect it to be very informative, realistic, or practical. I’m not sure if it will actually be based on facts and evidence. Get me a copy, and I will take a look.
@garnata Well, before anything else, I propose we get politicians elected who are incentivized to serve the people. We cannot really accomplish anything else until we do that.
I’ve got lots more, but if I cannot even convince people to start with getting people elected who are incentivized to serve the people, there’s not much point in sharing anything else if we’re already dead in the water and nobody wants to help paddle.
I am for sure interested in delving deep into a scientific method approach to this. You got me at research and historical context. I will take a look at what you shared with me here.
I think you will find that a lot of us are listening and ready for action. The way I see it, people are going to be reticent in investing the little energy or resources available if they feel we’ll end up being spread in a thousand different directions.
On my end, I am intent on maintaining an open mind and a unifying tone. Don’t be discouraged from persuading us though.
Hi Nick,
We, referring to our new group The 75, are thinking about things similarly, however we are more focused on money-in-politics as the unifying core issue.
The 75 is an Operation Hope idea which will be enacting campaigns, political, social, and media to make this the kitchen table issue by connecting individuals that will run for federal and state office, raising public awareness on the interconnectedness of this issue with other issues, with the mission of creating a mass movement inspiring and empowering more change and the People’s Amendment to get big money-out-of-politics.
We would love to connect with you. We are a small group right now, looking to get much bigger and soon. We are having our next meeting on November 21st 10pm EST but we can connect before then. Just email either StandWithThe75@the75(dot)us or m.hahn.the75@gmail(dot)com and we can start a conversation.
If anyone else is interested in learning more, please feel free to email as well, and we will send additional info and the meeting invite. See also our message board post titled The 75 - Money Out of Politics Coalition.
Honest question: if you believe Cenk is a cult leader and that he and TYT are not “informative, realistic, or practical,” why are you here? I’m seeing a lot of self-promotion and asking for money, etc., which leaves me guarded. I would just like to better understand your intentions and motivations.
I highly recommend Daniella Mestanyek Young for information about cults. She has a podcast about the culting of America that is informative and eye opening.
Daniella is about teaching individuals about how to identify groups that have hurt them in the past and groups that could hurt them today. Which is something to consider if one is going to identify TYT as a cult. It is nuanced.
10-Part Definition of a Cult (Daniella Mestyanek Young)
Charismatic Leader and Their Thin White Woman: Cults revolve around a leader who is seen as exceptional and draws followers. This leader could be a single person, a group, or even an idea. In American cults, a thin, white woman often stands beside the leader. She symbolizes self-sacrifice and helps “whitewash” the leader’s wrongdoings.
Sacred Assumption: A central belief that members must accept to stay in good standing. This core idea justifies the cult’s actions and demands.
Transcendent Mission: Cults present a vague, broad mission that is hard to measure. This mission fuels members’ dedication and justifies their sacrifices.
Constant Self-Sacrifice: Members must always put the group’s needs above their own. They may sacrifice time, money, relationships, and even their identity.
Isolation/Insulation From the World: Cults restrict members’ access to the outside world, controlling their time, finances, or social connections. This isolation can be physical, mental, or psychological.
Distinctive Language: Cults create their own vocabulary, setting members apart from outsiders. This includes unique terms, phrases, and speaking styles.
Us Versus Them Mentality: Cults foster a sharp divide between members and outsiders, breeding a sense of superiority. This justifies exploiting non-members.
Exploitation of Members’ Labor: Cults heavily rely on members’ work, often with little or no pay. Tasks include fundraising, recruitment, and other efforts that benefit the cult.
High Entrance and Exit Costs: Joining requires major sacrifices, and leaving can come with steep financial, social, or emotional losses.
“Ends Justify the Means” Mindset: Cults believe that any action, no matter how harmful, is acceptable if it serves the mission or leader.
It’s always important to hold groups and their leaders accountable. I wanted to share the list should anyone actually want to have a conversation whether or not TYT is a cult.
When did I say Cenk is a cult leader? Why am I not allowed to criticize and point out TYT’s problems? Why am I not allowed to ask for money for WORK that I do? Do you understand that when I cannot pay for access to academic research articles and papers, then the only way I can access them is by individually asking each author for a copy of their paper and wait. Do you understand that when I need to conduct an academic survey for a subject, I might have to go through hundreds of articles and papers before I even begin to interpret and analyse the subject matter. Explain to me how I begin to advocate for the value of science in politics, when even the only “progressive” community I know of, TYT, does not seem to even recognize the value of science at all.
If you don’t see any value in what I’m trying to do, that’s fine, I am not here to try and force people to do what I want. if you need to evaluate my motivations and intentions to understand the value of the things I am saying, instead of directly evaluating the things I am saying, than you need to evaluate why you think the character of the speaker has more weight than the character of what is said.
@drea_m_r_76 You perfectly demonstrate one of the most serious problems we have in our society, the requirements that the speaker be a “somebody” before society can accept anything said is of value. This COMPLETELY invalidates the scientific process, because In society generally, people will only accept the speaker’s word as having value if they are Cenk Uyger, or Jesus, or Taylor Swift, or Neil deGrasse Tyson, or whoever.
Science doesn’t work that way. What is said has value because various scientific processes give us tools to evaluate whether what is said is valid or not. These told have nothing to do with who is saying what. It’s about checking if their sources are valid sources, evaluating and analyzing if the sources really do seem to be supporting what is said, and verifying if repeating the process yield the same result.
If people do not have the ability, or refuse to evaluate the validity of knowledge based upon knowledge itself, them we are lost. No speaker will ever be smart enough, or creative enough, or omniscient enough to come up with the solutions society desperately needs.
I, at least, am saying “Look what I discovered using science. And those things I am advocating for, I provide academic references with them, or when asked.”
A lot of what I have published is free, comes with references when it is an analytical report, and there is nothing stopping anyone from looking at what I am saying.
I think it’s important for the broadest possible coalition to be involved here. If you demand in depth scientific engagement, you’ll immediately lose the interest of people who don’t have the time, the ability and/or the patience to participate. Conversely if it’s just raw populism it won’t help progression of anything substantial. @makenickraynes hopefully you don’t feel like your post has been taken over. There have been many conversations regarding this topic, I haven’t been able to step away from immediate responsibilities long enough to dive into the TYT forums, or to take part in any of the town halls or zoom meetings, so I don’t know what has been organized.
Thanks to everyone for trying, and for helping!