Just a recommendation. I supported Warren because I felt tactically she supports capitalism but believes in regulation and integrity. And she does a pretty good job of living it and executing it.
The term socialist with any added word on it just won’t sell. If Bernie had never had the word socialist attached to him and said he was a capitalist but with the exact same policies how many percentage points difference would that make?
Obviously he can’t walk things back because of his age and feels no need to do so. But tying ourselves to the word socialism when honestly we just want specific policies is like adding a 50 lb weight you carry around. The labels are irrelevant.
Just under 50% of progressives voted for Warren.
If you are going to say you are a socialist it brings into question simply your sanity in this country. It sounds crazy to many people. That’s an issue. The fact you have to explain it also is a turn off. You have already undermined the conversation.
Please drop the word socialism. Reclaim capitalism but with strong labor voice like the Nordic model.
Missing things here are the fact we have no labor unions. And our unions are not very good. Progressives need to go to the Scandinavian countries, train, learn and maybe even ask for help. How do we import what works from them and is it even possible in our minority rule beat up republic?
All of these are discussions that progressives need to start having and finding targets that we as a society can agree to gravitate towards. Drop identity politics but call for the end of police abuse. If moderates claim police reform jump on it though they have lied and hold them to it. Where is the reform? Let’s go. They instead say defund constantly and do nothing. So reform and let’s go.
I say consider dropping the terms socialism. Aim for the Nordic model where they are happy. This requires long term effort to not only change the economics of the USA and the politics but also the fundamental republic we stand upon. But that foundation is closer to where we were compared to what we are in some ways.
For example a representative at one time could not have more than 30,000 citizens otherwise we needed a new rep. If we put that back into play right now for example there would no zero threat of republicans stealing power in this country. Because democracy works. They would never be able to capture the house of representatives ever as there would be to many voices to stop them.
I absolutely disagree, I think that is a terrible idea. The red scare and decades of propaganda, misinformation, and persecution of the left wing and leftists and even in the 1920s, union members, in America, under the guise of anticommunism and has indeed made “socialist” a scary and undermining term and reduced the American ‘far’ left. But that doesn’t mean we accept defeat and just cow tow to the right wing who wants us to do just that. Stand up for it, spread the ideas, correct the problems and misinfo, and push back against when anyone says “just be a capitalist” As a Socialist, I completely understand the tactical necessity to appear as a capitalist, like a social democrat, which is more publicly appealing. However, I am and would never abandon it entirely and think it is utterly idiotic and counterproductive to further reduce and disenfranchise our movement by pushing for the exact same thing the far right and corporate POSs wants.
Sure if TYT wants me to instantly cancel my subscription. I am not only socialist but explicitly anti-Capitalist - I don’t believe there’s any option in participating in Capitalism presently but I do believe it is a system we have to strive to leave behind. I understand Cenk and many others in the movement still have some notion of pure Capitalism not being innately harmful to human well-being and the planet but they are wrong and so far they have been welcoming to those of us who disagree.
If you talk with anyone outside of the USA, you have to first start with, "Yes, I understand I am.not a Socialist, but a Social Democrat. Unfortunately, that’s not what’s going on here, this isn’t a misunderstanding, but an attempt by fascism.
As a Norwegian-American, I disagree with your use of the “Nordic Model”. Norway has socialistic control of oil and electricity production to finance our socialistic programs such as free healthcare, education ( ALL EDUCATION including pre K and Universities) Also many companies in Norway are state-run or state-owned such as utilities, mail, rail transport, airlines, electrical power industry, fossil fuels, chemical industry, steel mill, electronics industry, machine industry, automotive industry, aerospace manufacturer, shipbuilding, and the arms industry. (Wikipedia source) Having PUBLIC CONTROL of means of production is what socialism largely is, the people control what to do with natural resources and critical products such as transportation methods and military tools. All of this without leaving out some of it socializes the gains and responsibilities of the things that are the minimal requirements for people having fair and equal opportunity for economic potential.
Just having a strong labor voice isn’t what makes Norway such a fair and healthy country.
Retiring the word isn’t the solution you cant just pick and choose vocabulary to make things palatable, you need to use the correct terms to describe the actual truth. Teach Americans what Socialism actually is, don’t ignore it.
I mean if you ask anyone outside the USA, everyone would tell you that Americans don’t know what Socialism means.
Every single one will ask in some way, for good measure, “You know there are no Socialists in America right? You have Social Democrats.”
Which we as Americans have to oblige and acknowledge that we do in fact speak of political science based on educational standards, and not media propaganda definitions.
It is exhausting, but a necessary measure to be sure.
Education and correction of fearmongering will always win out in the end. The reason France then America rose up against their respective monarchies was the enlightenment period , where education became more widespread! Norway’s constitution was also written with the French and American documents as inspiration
America is already a Capitalistic Social Democracy. Same as Norway, the difference is where the the scale dips. Republicans like Medicare/Medicaid social security/ VA . They just don’t realize the same social funding can be applied to education and other stuff
TYT’s ideas for social correction is considered Socialism in the United States:
-Fair working treatment
-A living wage
That’s all considered Socialism here in the USA.
This has nothing to do with what kind of government we are, I’m talking about our perceptions on politics.
Education is right, unfortunately, our Red for Ed efforts got low balled, and now our entire education system is being demonized for prioritizing our children’s safety.
Our Medical Institutions have also been similarly smeared to the point where people use the word “science” like they would “magic”.
We’re still debating the effective of masks over here, the vaccine is available for every man, woman, and child (and everyone in between) yet we can barely get to half… HALF!!!
Our civil servants are short staffed from vaccine mandates.
You would think it was because they’re quitting because of vaccine mandates right?
No! The biggest issue is covid sickness!
The labor shortage doesn’t help.
Minimum wage doesn’t help.
The complete lack of sensible gun laws doesn’t help.
Every idea to help the situation is condemned as “woke left nonsense”.
Because “trickle down economics”, where the wealthy hold on to dear life from allowing their wealth to trickle.
I can assure you from personal experience, Americans have been trickled on for at least 2 decades.
It has nothing to do with better compensation.
If they were enlightened then why act like savages when taking land that never belonged to them nor had a right to take? And if they believe in Jesus how do they justify the slaughter of millions in God’s name? Last if the Constitution was real then why from day one did they further the North Atlantic Slave trade when clearly the Constitution of the United States is the law of the land and it states slavery is prohibited with its borders. Yet by 1860 slavery was more than 50% of US GDP? How are these facts justified?
I’m saying the Norwegian Constitution was based on the US and French Constitutions and the Norwegian people enacted and upheld it to their own standards (which led to a freer fairer country), my point was that the principles(in the US and French Constitutions) are mostly good and Norway has used them well. I’m not saying America has enforced or upheld their constitution well.
Also Norway is Lutheran not catholic that made a big difference, Lutheran Christianity values social responsibility and good much more than Catholicism does.
Compared to the rights of the general public before and after the French resolution Id say the result is a more enlightened populace and government, yes. obviously we have improved since then… this is very basic history. “Let them eat cake” ??
Your string of questions leads me to believe you misunderstood what I wrote and they sound like you’re putting me on blast. Do you have an opinion?
I completely agree that many are steered far off the proper and enlightened path in the USA. Thankfully it’s still a minority that is vary far out there. But I feel like the majority isn’t that invested in rooting out the corruption either. As a person from Norway I feel like my feet are on fire when I look at the political landscape of the USA. I’m mindblown thinking of how obvious the corruption is and how not freaked most of people are.
So I’m not sure how to put this, but I feel you have the right idea with the wrong presentation. I’m did my best to not get mislead , as for my train of thought, based off some of your vernacular. I’m going to put this as blunt, rudimentary, and eloquently as possible so there is no mistake in what I believe your trying to say and the message your perpetuating. Basically current day society is so focused on finding a pathway to achieve materialistic objects and monetary gains, ultimately laments of power. We lose track of morals and principals for many factors such as greed, lust, fame and ultimately judgment from others. For what? To seek happiness singularly for that of our, individually using and willing to utilize any method to get there. Of course depending on the person, by any means necessary is left to nuance, but this ideology in itself is detrimental due to leaving out one major concept. An individual doesn’t exist alone within a community, but under todays current pretext, individuals tend stick to this idea in hope of living without oppression, because lets be honest who want to be oppressed when you can be the oppressor . Most people use the easiest thing that comes to mind to establish their dominance over others in a heated debate when they run out of actual impactful material, or the conversation has become too intrinsic for them, insults. The first thing the brain process is sight aka color, which means if that person brings up anything bigoted, they either lack the education to rebuttal or simply just a product of their environment.
A problem as old as time. A problem Jesus Christ Himself stood against in fact.
Progress is painfully slow, but hey, we don’t stone women to death for sport anymore, we don’t burn people at the stake, nor do we allow religious inquisitions or non democratic forms of government.
We are not George Washington, we are not Dr. Martin Luther King, we are not Ruth Bader Ginsberg, but we are doing the best we can.
And now, BBB is blowing up in everyone’s faces for exactly the problems which you describe.
How much longer can they keep this farce up?
Hold the line, we’re not here for our problems getting solved, we pave the way and ensure we don’t move backwards, because our kids got this, we just need to provide them the opportunity.
It’s crumbling, finally, don’t lose hope when we’re so close!
I’m trying bro but I can’t catch a break, I’m trying to open a podcast to alleviate thoughts I feel to be obvious, but I am now realizing not everyone has the time or patience to contemplate such ideals, II try my hardest to join or establish a platform, and honestly for others like ourselves feeling stifled and those people who truthfully want their voice heard, obstacles that difficult hinder to the point attaining a platform is that much harder.
Manchin is our break. He’s not just a crack, he’s a fault line, and we have one more card up our sleeve… I cannot believe Sinema can go this long without making a complete blunder of herself.
Just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Worry not, Az has plenty of pressure on that front.
I have Coconino County and Pima supporting the PROGRESSIVE front.
Can you imagine if democrats actually (falsely)rooted for trump? We’ve seen what his capable of if you(LIKE) him, he would of fought tooth and nail for anyone that showered him with complements, but republicans got to him first. Although he was franchised to begin with by republicans, which was purposeful, due to his popularity, if anything they did too good of job promoting him. He literally found every outlet and made new outlets to oppose just out of vindication, although it was internally fueled, in sense of giving a baby his bottle, a baby that held immense power, and boy did that baby throw tantrums. This brings me to the realization, if we coddled this man baby, we could of used him to for a greater good. As manipulative as its sounds we need to start strategizing more on indifferences and utilize simplicity as such. Already posted
We had a strategy, and damn good one, and had we followed through, we would not be in this position now.
I blame Jayapal who first declared we would not back down on passing both bills together.
It was solid, and only 6 held the line.
The strategy is solid, we need backbone!
I would again refer you back to my frameworks.
Not just being able to your constituents, but engage with them, getting opinions on matters from their own, and be able to make a decision that will best serve their people.
We need AOC in the chair, or Katie Porter.
I don’t care which, just get them in there and the other in second command!