I get working with tucker carlson, mtg and megan kelly when they are fighting for things that are progressive or populist. it seems strange to me to say that the people responsible for those persona’s are moral though when they have shown time and time again to be willing to lie and be only self interested. like corporations the things they say aren’t reflective of actual feelings, they are just ways to maximize power and profit for themselves. when we assign morality to the actors playing those personas based on their words it ignores the truth of what they are. also it ignores the more interesting question, why do these people think it will be in their personas best interest to do the right thing in these few matters and tell the truth. it feels like cenk is projecting his own honesty and decency on them. i was told to have faith when i don’t understand. can someone help fill in what i am missing?
There’s so many facets to this situation first as a Jersey guy like Cenk living in a multi cultural a fairly even divide on political parties you gotta deal with all kinds of interactions and as Ren Hoak said “it could be good, it could be bad” better to be cool take the first hit before unloading as folk’s love talkin’ sh!t they can’t back up. As an aspie I personally have to be the person in the dark corner of the party checking folk’s out before interacting so I don’t get played and I’m pretty sure Ana and Cenk know who these people are so unless some TYT viewers get real stupid and hateful we should gain their’s that have a few brain cells to rub together as republicans make things worse for them daily because the lies are wearing thin.
happy to hear criticism as well if anyone has that
I have not followed TYT closely recently, but I did see a sharp criticism of Ana for her defense of Carlson on some key point (I think the critics were pointing the absurdity of Ana’s comment that Carlson leaning into zionism shows he is not is anti-semitic? I can’t recall 100%.) In general, I have seen her seem to be on very good terms with him.
My view is that it’s one thing to be on decent/cordial/professional terms with a fellow broadcaster and thought leader, but it is another thing to be more friendly than needed. I have been embarrassed for Ana that she seems star-struck at times when she is dealing with Carlson (and the possibility that he will run for President). Does she not understand how much damage he did to our country with his dishonesty about the 2020 election? I can absolutely respect both Cenk and Ana for holding the door open and maintaining a professional and cordial attitude toward our fellow citizens who may want to discuss various matters. It is part of why I am a member. However, I do not think it is necessary to be so friendly with someone who has done so much damage. Surely there is some sort of middle ground that could be forged?
With all that said, I do want to add that I do think it’s useful for TYT to look at who could be the Presidential candidates in all parties in 2028. We The People must have good multiple candidates to choose from, from all parties. It’s good to see Ana on top of the question of whether Carlson might choose to throw his hat in the ring. But does she have to over-extend herself to do this?
yes! i agree.
they always center the conversation around whether we should work with these people to achieve our common goals. which i honestly think 90% of people see clearly that we should. I think a lot of people have honest and understandable worry when we start defending their character or treat them like honest actors though.
people signed up to work together on common goals not go to bat for tucker carlson. i would need so much evidence to believe someone like tucker or mtg was an honest actor though. I dont understand what cenk and ana could have heard that would convince them.
what if the message that we need to constantly congratulate mtg and tucker make your other messages lose some of their power? is it worth the sacrifice?
Carlson 2026 is NOT Carlson 2025; I don’t agree with him on a lot of his political philosophy, but on the co-option of US political process by Israel/Zionists, he is completely on the money. This is an apex issue for American politics…
when someone shows you who they are for 20 years believe them. not sure why in year 21 of tucker in the media we’ve decided he’s “principled” and the most moral news anchor on main stream media.
we like what he’s saying right now.it doesn’t mean we like what he said yesterday or tomorrow. just because he’s terrible doesn’t mean we shouldn’t accept his help. though i’m confused why accepting his help involves praising him constantly. talking about how moral and principled he is.
could we take the help without that? could we make clear he’s been trash for years but is right on this?
Cenk is an important voice on many issues. especially israel’s genocides. is it not a legitimate worry that people won’t listen to cenks voice on israel or other issues because he’s the guy who claims mtg and tucker are moral and principled?
Not saying he is! But on the single and most important issue of co-option of the American political process by Israel -he is right.
I’m confident I would find his views on the Voting Rights Act to be abhorrent. And I am also confident that Israel/AIPAC would try and use that as a wedge issue (among others…) to disarm the growing voter alignment to remove Israeli influence from the American political process!
sounds like we are in agreement then.
obviously we should work with anyone trying to stop israels genocides. Cenk is an important voice on many issues. especially israel’s genocides. is it not a legitimate worry that people won’t listen to cenks voice on israel or other issues because he’s the guy who constantly claims mtg and tucker are moral and principled?
can’t we work with tucker and mtg without, cenk specifically, saying they are the most principled and moral people. cause they aren’t
Well that would be a ridiculous contention on Cenk’s part. I don’t think he has claimed that. He has just figured out the divide-and-conquer tactics of oligarchs and is trying to short circuit it…
he said something like tucker is the most moral host in the main stream news. last night on the show he was talking about how principled mtg and tucker are. i just don’t get why that is necessary and with everything we know about them it seems ridiculous
If he said that, I don’t agree with Cenk.
Carlson is a classic childish libertarian, spinning sophistries whenever policy will cost him money saying why he shouldn’t be pitching in.
But on the Israel issue, he’s been right and eloquent (I guess it’s even affecting HIS bottom line, in addition to all Americans…)
yes tucker and mtg have been good allies on israel recently.
i think they have their own reasons for being truthful on these issues but they have been useful. i just don’t want us to get carried away
Hey Nick , Jack here. I hear your reservations about these people who advocated differently in the past. I can only say that if Cenk believes through his information and heart that MTG and Tucker are being earnest about Trump and Israel, I can cautiously go with him until proven differently. I only wish that MTG stayed in Congress, but maybe she received too many death threats , especially from Israel. But she is still fighting . Man, I just turned 73 years old , and I have never seen such a decline in our country. The White trash Christian Neo-cons are going full tilt on power and it’s their way or utter destruction . This cancer has to be excised so for now, I will extend a little grace to these two that see the danger signs and are reacting. As for Megan Kelly and AOC , I don’t know, but AOC needs to lead and be clear about her convictions. I’m not holding my breath. Talk soon, Jack
AOC needs to get her act together and get back to her progressive grassroots. though i will say she seems to be gaining with normy dems. only wonks like the people on here that know how she’s voted on israel, lied for kamala, screwed chakrabarti and went along to get along that are frustrated with her.
i love that you have that faith in cenk. i try to and then like last night cenk starts talking about how principled they are and i just can’t. they have both just made it so clear for so long they don’t care at all about whether they are telling the truth or not
I don’t see AOC as scrappy a fighter as, say, Katie Porter. Problem with Porter is I believe she is a ziocon.
I’d like to see AOC supplant Schumer, not run for president. The problem is Schumer’s constituency is pretty Israel First…
aoc original version was scrappy what we are left with today isn’t.
yeah we need to get rid of anyone who is still trying to support israel!
they are obviously corrupt and or morally bankrupt if they still support israel and their genocides
also not for nothing but anyone like tucker who claim they were attacked by a demon in their bed. maybe don’t trust.
What exactly did he say that upset you ? I was upset that he’s gone on about Israel for weeks now with little other reporting. It’s obvious that Israel is his Achilles heel. On the Members Monday segment last night he spent 10 minutes on another rant over Israel , and this is supposed to be about members calling in. I called him out about it on the chat, I said , My God , please let the callers speak. Anyway I’m hoping the discussion can move to the abolition of the Voting Rights Act , even Robert Reich had a segment on YouTube today. He’s extremely concerned if he’s posting on a weekday