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The reason Musk was the bagman for the corporations wanting unfettered H1Bs; Tesla is failing. If he and The Swami get few strings attached to the H1Bs, those corporate investors would plow SOME of the H1B profits back into investing in Tesla; Trump gets the bag (offshoreâŚ)
[The Swami gets a commission, like he did for his pharma scam (linkâŚ) <sarcasm> -a superb example of the intellectual excellence he wants to inculcate here in America! </sarcasm>]
UPDATE: more videos explaining Muskâs desperationâŚ
UPDATE:
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Maybe strikes+slowdowns+walkouts should be done nationally if it appears Congress wonât be fair when they reconvene. But it canât be a one day thing; a message should be sent that this will be kept up until a fair outcome for worker visas is delivered. Note that flash mob protests are the best way, since they cannot plan to mitigate economic losses. The message is a simple one: you threaten our job stability with unfair and unethical practices, and we will threaten your profits. Give workers a fair deal, and we will get back to work and work real hard. Strikes might trigger a recession/depression? Then we all lose, which is the same difference to workers if they continue to go along with a raw deal that puts them at risk of eventual homelessness and starvation.
Perhaps we also need to do a targeted boycott against the top 1000 egregious H1B abusers;
Index of H1B Sponsoring Companies
since the 2011 fiscal year (linkâŚ)
call them the âMisfortune 1000â (linkâŚ)
[How do you boycott Google or Apple?? Make a commitment to get a dumbphone and use it some of the time. Itâs healthy to âdigital detoxâ; and when you do, itâs defeating the revenue they indirectly make on providing location tracking and website search and visit dataâŚ]
I think a personality or personalitIES with followings would need to promote it. Addressing Stupid+Greedy Hitler would be a waste of time. The Repubs have already signaled with the refusal of the Musk-Trump Shutdown Order that they will not sign on to Bridges Too Far. <grin>And I guess weâll see how courageous the Dems are on the issue when it comes time to vote on it!</grin>
Transportation from various cities should be sponsored in part by unions. Keep in mind that American workers that can spend buy more domestic products; also, for the auto unions it would be a big punch in the gut to Musk. Propping up his failing Tesla venture is whatâs driving him on this issue. Heâs looking to quash any EV competition, including of course competition from lower-cost US manufacturers (see post above; linkâŚ) Union organizers could educate people they are giving a lift to about the âRight to Workâ scam (Sanders alert!)
Maybe that should be protested at the same time too?
It would be psychedelic if the Teamsters were to get in on this. Then they wouldnât have to drive crappy Tesla trucks.
Advice to unions that might do this: watch out; Musk will pay for saboteurs to fill the buses. He can only play dirtyâŚ
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Note: While unions arenât _always_ the solution for employees, the Orwellian-named âRight To Workâ laws are clearly an attempt to suppress options for workers to be treated fairly.
Nobody will want the formation of a union where they will have to pay dues and attend meetings if they are already being treated fairly by their employer -and thatâs shown to be the case in many workplacesâŚ
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Dore busts The SwamiâŚ
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WEâRE going to need a lot of people to conduct repeated flash mob strikes and slowdowns until these programs are ethical and just (including getting rid of the âRight to Workâ scamâŚ)
FYI: I renamed this thread to reflect the wider abuse of worker rights; itâs NOT just H1B! (though thatâs what Musk is focused on to save his Tesla HindenburgâŚ)
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Update: Alex theyâre-making-the-frogs-gay Jones has picked sides with Musk. Not surprised; after his court bankruptcy, Musk can arrange for offshore and/or anonymous crypto to be transferred to him -he would be cheap right now!
Heâs trying to finesse it as a counteraction against a splitting of MAGA. Yoâ, Alex: we donât give a ratâs ass about your division on this issue, or Musk trying to salvage Tesla, or Trump making a score from Musk: itâs about fair and ethical treatment of American workers. [To those who donât work for a living] Itâs about stopping the extraction from America of the production of important products and services, and also wealth, all just to feed a trans-national one-percenter blackhole of capital accumulation.
News flash to MAGAs: weâre fighting the corporate owners of the Dem Party too on this issue! And Sanders is too; heâs done getting played by those owners.
The Teamsters President got it completely right to NOT endorse either candidate. I myself foolishly held out hope that Harris would offer something for workers -but the corporate owners said: âNope! Not worth it; weâll wait for the next election. At least the corporate tax rate will be unaffected by a Trump adminâŚâ
MAGAs who work for a living and are pissed about being thrown under the bus with these worker visa scams: come Election Day, my vote was a write-in!
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Dore on Bannon:
Bannon gets one thing seriously wrong on the TARP bailout: Paulsen SHOULD HAVE required that management needed to step down if the bank took the funds and the bank in question had a very high over-leveraging on liar loans or had played around a lot with Collateralized Debt Obligations (linkâŚ), simultaneously telegraphing that they would be held personally responsible and be prosecuted if their institution failed and they did not take advantage of the bailout (i.e., they barricaded themselves into the C-SuiteâŚ) By doing a no-strings-attached bailout, they perpetuated the high risk mentality of most American banks.
Canadaâs banking system in 2008 was not over-leveraged on liarâs loans. So the âyou couldnât have seen this comingâ argument used to defend American banking/investment banking in 2008 was an audacious lie.
But being that Hank Paulsen of the Treasury in 2008 was the former president of Goldman Sachs and Steve Bannon used to work at Goldman, his opinions on the TARP bailout have a strong conflict of interest! But I thank that he spoke up against the worker visa thing anyway -that took some guts.
He says in the interview about the pillars of US finance: âit all still existsâ [thanks to the TARP Bailout[; uhh, along with the high risk mentality that manages them! You just made my point, Steve. The TARP bailout was a golden missed opportunity to flush all the high risk mentality from American banking. Hey, if someone wants to do a high-risk venture, have at it! But we donât want our BANKS doing it!
And we didnât let them -until Glass Steagall got repealed!
Jimmy claims that Bannon was jailed because he was a threat to âthe establishmentâ (sic.) No, he got jailed because he ignored a subpoena. Jimmy tries to mitigate the contempt charge by saying others never got charged for contempt. And some others have, Jimmy; prosecution is discretionary, not obligatory. Donât like that? Change the law. And the hearing was a valid one: where did the âBuild the Wallâ money go? It was mishandled; thatâs a valid hearing. Itâs Bannonâs right to raise money for The Wall, but there are accounting rules that any fundraiser in the U.S.has to follow.
The joke I always liked on âThe Wallâ: âShow me a 20 foot wall, and Iâll show you a 22 foot ladderâŚâ Tight border controls are not a joke. But âThe Wallâ was just a narcissistic monument to Stupid Hitler (I suspect he has fantasies that they will be talking about it 15 centuries from now, like Hadrianâs WallâŚ) Drones, fencing, and perimeter monitors are more adept at stopping crossings.
âFixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man. If mountain ranges and oceans can be overcome, then anything built by man can be overcome.â
-General Patton
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PS: âBill Maher is a complete dipshitâŚâ
<joke>Tell us something we donât know!</joke>
ââŚunder a government that imprisons unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison.â
-Thoreau
OK: Bannon believing the hearing to be persecution and a Kangaroo one, that was his right. To his credit, he paid the cost (whereas Trump never did, other than showing up for a headshot in GeorgiaâŚ) Not exactly the same as a black guy getting booked for sitting at a whites-only counter of a diner in Selma, but he is not completely full of it the way Musk,The Swami, and Stupid Hitler areâŚ
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Absolutely hilarious:
(I jump-cut to the best part; rewind if you want to watch it allâŚ)
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Glaringly absent from The Turks discussion below is the very suspicious circumstantial evidence that Silicon Valley tech monopolies and Fortune 1000 investors have a deal to invest in Tesla in exchange for Musk (and transitively TrumpâŚ) delivering on H1Bs. Contrast the motive he would have for cheaper margins on his tech hires versus getting investors to prop up Tesla. Look at the videos above (linkâŚ) where itâs pretty clear that Tesla is starting to implodeâŚ
And as Bernie often says: âitâs not rocket scienceââŚto fix the H1B program to make it fair. You average the costs of American IT workers (go check census bureau stats for thatâŚ), compare it to the costs of the H1B hires, take the difference of those averages, reduce it to a percent -thatâs your visa tax, which is to go to American technical training and education (it could be in the form of a tech scholarship pool, or financial aid targeted to students seeking degrees in tech, as opposed to basket weavingâŚ)
Once the costs of both workers are the same, who will employers want? The ones who are difficult to communicate with for specifications??
At this point I know the Swami would crack a joke about Americans being hard to communicate with -oh yes, Vivek; we have always LOVED getting a support person with little command of the English language on a call! Except yourself, of course, whose language skills have been used to such noble ends (linkâŚ)
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WOW, you should start another separate discussion with this!
From the interview: âIf itâs a scam as you say, why does Tesla want it??â
Answer: The Worker Visa Debate (+the "Right to Work" SCAM...) - #22 by patrie
The interviewee appears to be in denial about the danger of tech mega-monopolies. They actually stifle tech innovation, in spite of all their claims to the contrary,
Good job, Kyle; youâre pushing back on the âyouâre just racistâ talking point peddled by Musk AND the portion of the Left that has become IRRELEVANT since they have become out of touch with American workers.
[For those not in the know: Key and Peele had a very funny poster with both of them in swivel chars smiling at the camera, and copy next to them that read: âKey and Peele. If you donât like it, youâre racist.â]
An example of Musk paid [online] propaganda. He didnât invent it, but he is going it at a scale as has never been seenâŚ
Itâs the same thing as how Big Plastic runs tons of fake stories on revolutionary recycling solutions (âSo donât bother with local chargeback solutions, people -the problem is about to be solvedâŚâ)
Shifting the Costs of Recycling to Manufacturers, Not Consumers (linkâŚ)
MORE PUMP DESPERATION:
A path has been proposed: attend school in the US, and upon completion you get a Green Card. Canât afford that? Guess what?? Nor can many Americans! H1Bs HAVE TO cost an employer the same price as an American tech worker (by means of a tax based on an average from census statsâŚ)
They get into a new report a couple of minutes inâŚ
âVivek said Americans are lazyâŚâ
How can you possibly argue that when he is so busy slinging bullshit like this? Now THATâS work!
An example of where I part ways with Bannon:
He said Barrett should have gone along with a vote to overrule Stupid Hitlerâs NY State fraud case. I think not, Steve. While Bragg did something politically chickenshit, escalating the charges to felonies (this was in NY STATE, right??), the evidence was pretty clear cut and supported by a jury verdict.
Oh, and calling Trump a ââmoderate MAGAââ, Steve? That was NOT gutsy. Now it looks like you are just climbing on board the working class relevance train, smelling that Trump is just about to screw the MAGA pooch.
You cannot serve two masters, Steve. Trump wants a payoff from Silicon Valley and Fortune 1000 investors, by way of Musk. Trump feels he has no fealty to MAGAs who work for a living; if he goes along with getting a payoff for giving away H1Bs, he will say what he always does: âItâs working class MAGAâs fault! They were stupid enough to believe me.â
If you are with workers, you canât also be with Trump -UNLESS Trump turns on a dime and suddenly supports workers like thereâs no tomorrow. Given his history of the way he treated his workers at various Trump ventures (other than those who had lied for him to break the lawâŚ), I donât see that happening. Trump can prove me wrong when a new H1B bill hits Congress, right? There would have to be a provision that charges a tax for education and training, to insure H1s cost the same as American workers. I think thatâs a little less wacky than your âreparationsâ idea. When domestic talent costs the same as offshore talent, I KNOW who employers will be picking (contrary to the beliefs of The SwamiâŚ)
Going to a non-union factory with paid actors playing factory workers is NOT going to be getting Trump out of this one.
[I would have loved it if the judge in that NY case had given a penalty of community service, picking up garbage. But it appears that judges nowadays are not as creative as they once used to beâŚ]
Overreliance on H-1B visas is a classic example of patching a problem instead of fixing it. Companies use them as a Band-Aid because itâs easier than addressing the real issuesâlike the lack of good workforce training programs and fair access to them. If we really want a sustainable system, weâve gotta prioritize building up our own talent pipelines here at home.
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